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AMD or Intel

wiza92
07-May-14 3:50 PM
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I'm thinking of switching from intel to amd. The reason is that I'm fed up that for every intel cpu that comes out, a new socket comes out so thus, a new motherboard.

Right now i have an i7 2600 along with 8gb of ram and a gtx770. 

Speaking to anyone who has AMD. What are the pros and cons of having AMD and not Intel? 

Are there any limitations in games, processing power etc? Do nvidia cards work well with amd cpu s? And which is worth the most for price/performance?

 

I appreciate it a lot!

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ingliz83
07-May-14 6:02 PM
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Yeah I'm thinking of going for a change back over to AMD. I love their GPU's and I havent had an AMD CPU for ages... I think i used to own an Athlon 2600XP+ once upon a time....

The AMD Piledriver FX-8 Eight Core 9590 Black Edition 4.70GHz (5.00GHz Turbo) looks like a solid CPU... and i bet that could easily be overclocked to over 5.5GHz on water.

I currently have an Intel Core i5 3570K which i've had for the past 18months. But with new mainboards and cpu's on intels side coming out very frequently it would be nice not to have to change my mainboard so often...     AMD seem to be on a good track right now.

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wiza92
07-May-14 6:28 PM
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Last thing I owned which had AMD on it was an AGP card x1950pro haha. But intel really pisses me off. All i want is to upgrade my cpu and to do that i have to change my motherboard and socket, thus a cpu cooler.

 

 

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MercyKiller101
07-May-14 8:07 PM
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Your reasoning is, frankly, baffling.

Intel work on a Tick-Tock cycle, i.e. they come out with a new architecture eg. Sandy Bridge, Haswell, then improve on it the next year eg. Ivy Bridge, Broadwell.The new architecture dictates a socket change. 

Granted Intel haven't been giving us massive performance gains recently, with only about 10-20% performance increase of Haswell over Sandy Bridge, so the need to upgrade is minimal, in terms of performance. Mostly Intel has been focusing on increasing sleep states and shrinking their technology, to improve TDPs and performance-per-watt ratios, not to mention that they're really only interested in the mobile market atm, with the biggest improvements seen generation to generation being in the integrated GPUs.

The same can be said for AMD. They lost the desktop market years ago, and their best attempts at clawing it back, Bulldozer and Piledriver, have been pitiful. TDPs and performance per watt are disastrous, and single core performance is basically non-existent(Read as:You will be bottlenecked by your CPU in game). CPU wise, it's all about APUs for AMD. Again, these are mostly intended for the mobile market, which don't have discrete video cards, and they are surpassing Intel in that department handily.

If you're on a tight budget, or need a lot of cores for rendering/compression(On a budget), AMD all the way. Otherwise, stick with intel. Like I said, you're not missing much by waiting an extra couple of years between upgrades - with Intel. With AMD you'll probably have to upgrade with every iteration.

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jacob5622
07-May-14 8:10 PM
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That i7 will last you through the upcoming Haswell refresh so no need to invest in a z97 mobo. That is a very good rig for the moment but if you're lacking speed, drop in a SSD if you don't have already.

I too am annoyed with the fact that my z87 board (supposedly) will not support the Devil's Canyon CPUs but will need a 9-series chipset. This was my first desktop since my Dell Dimension 8800 from 1999, whose mobo was the also short-lived Socket 423. I'm extremely unlucky :/

As regards AMD, I would be weary going with them for high-end gaming or any heavy tasks for that matter. The FX-line is dead ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steamroller_(microarchitecture)#FX_lines ) and AMD just released its roadmap where it seems to be leaning towards APU development ( http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/69437-amd-unveils-ambidextrous-computing-roadmap/ ). An uncertain future is better than no future imo.

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wiza92
07-May-14 8:19 PM
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Thanks for the replies guys, guess ill stick with my sandybridge for now after all. Actually yes I have a vertex 4 installed in my rig and two storage hdds :) The ssd has given me a lot of speed

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09-May-14 11:02 PM
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I got an AMD. I am happy with my 2+ year old setup, an Fx-8150 and HD-7950 Vapor X.. and have no issue with any game thrown at it.

But if I were you right now? I would stick to that good old sandybridge.

Although the FX CPUs are fast, they haven't seen a refresh for years, the only 'refresh' was a cherry picked CPU with a massive overclock, and they simply eat up power.

On the other hand, the new intel CPUs are not showing any WOW factor, yet still carry a premium price, but that is mainly due to having no competition in the desktop sector.

AMD have just released some pretty good new desktop, laptop and mobile parts, and they look promising, on paper they sweep Bay Trail of the board, but they are APUs. With their new low power consumption and average graphics performance (no BF4 60fps max settings though, far from it) they should gain some important market share.

Right now I am simply waiting and wishing for a new desktop FX part, they have already released an APU with an FX label on it (which is the best mobile APU), but that is for laptops. I just hope they do they are considering launching something equivalent on desktop.

 

Although me and Mercykiller never seem to agree on anything, he has my backing on his good explanation.

 

Lately I had to stop use my HP Elitebook (i7, nvidia quadro) since it developed a fault, so I took my thin mITX from my living room http://bit.ly/RxpDYW, planted a monitor on top it.. and it delivers a very smooth desktop experience. 

And right now it is making me consider in partially selling my rig http://bit.ly/brendanPCbuild and building an ITX system. 

Was looking at a Corsair 250D, AMD A10-7850K and a Sapphire R9-290X. Which consumes less power than my current system, costs less and also provides enough oomph for UHD gaming. The only thing that's holding me back is that AMD have simply not yet improved properly improved their CPU performance.

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Steve
16-May-14 4:52 PM
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I agree with what everyone said. I have the exact same setup as yourself except a bit more ram (12GB RAM). I don't feel any need to upgrade all games run astonishingly beautiful. Both AMD and Intel haven't produced a CPU good enough to make consider upgrading from my trusty 2600. For now stick with what you have its pretty good.

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